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141

Saturday, January 6th 2018, 11:18pm

The pads don't exist on the Bm 4/4. LS Models made a mistake and copied this part of the manual from the Bm 6/6.
There are no decoder outputs left to control the couplers, this is clearly visible from the mapping too.

So as I said: Without major modifications to the PCB, you can't control the couplers.
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peppardo

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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 12:31am

The pads don't exist on the Bm 4/4. LS Models made a mistake

So as I said: Without major modifications to the PCB, you can't control the couplers.


this model from LS is all a mistake!!!
for the couplers it will be enough to find the AUX exit to use with the +, from the 21pin strip, and the game is over!
but the problem of decoder mapping remains...
I find it strange that for Swiss enthusiasts, this model has been welcomed, despite all these errors in design and construction ..
for much less here in Italy, many models of the house LEmodels (almost as if in the name resembles LSModels) were returned to the manufacturer, such as the electric locomotive 626...
Giuseppe

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modellbahner

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143

Sunday, January 7th 2018, 8:55am

I dont' think this model is a mistake only because of the missing pads for the electric couplers. I don't know why you have a problem with the decoder mapping. I already sent you the configuration file long time ago by e-mail. It is important to use a ESU decoder with production date 2017 or newer (HW-Rev 4.1 or V4.1). Then it will work without any problems.

I also don't think that LE Models has many problems. There have only been some E626 with bad motors (less than 5% of the whole production). The motors have been changed under warranty for free.
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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 12:04pm

thanks for the news Modellbahner... for your information, I also tried to mount a Zimo decoder, but the result was the same ... I came to my conclusion about the marketing of this model, after having troubled to free the screw under the chimney, after having troubled to free the screws under the rear carriage and finally after discovering, for the second time, I repeat for the second time, that the loco does not behave as manual and the manual was not written by us, but by LSModels ...
the ESU decoder I have mounted is updated to the latest firmware version:
Giuseppe

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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 12:31pm

according to my humble opinion, it is not the decoder that needs to be updated, but it would be right for LS to remedy the various errors, including that of allowing their products to be sold, and I fell for the second time, that despite the cost, have these problems ... what should I say I'm unlucky? besides, the after-sales service does not seem to me more serious, have you ever tried to write to LS, as long as you can understand where to write? not good, we fans do the somersaults to buy our beloved models and we must be protected and not only be forced to become crazy with a model just out of the box!
Giuseppe

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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 1:57pm

It is important that you use not and old ESU LokPilot because there are some Hardware differencies (even ESU is using still the sam item number for it). This problem can NOT be solved by a firmware update! I still can not see a general error on the model (even the layout of the pcb could of course be a little bit better - but in general it works).

I also can offer you to send me your model or to visit me to solve your problems (I know it might be a distance - but until today I was able to help every customer with his Bm 4/4).
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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 2:50pm

dear Modellbahner, I do not doubt about your professional skills and competence in this area ... I wrote to the seller that he offered to call LSModels, even though I have my strong doubts that LS can resolve the issue.
in the mask of the lokprogrammer I see a date: Pdate 13/03/2015 ... maybe that date is that of production of the lot decoders? and by chance, that other date (Adate 03/13/2017) what can it match? maybe at the firmware update date?
Now, I wait for the seller to answer me and in case we can see whether to adopt the solution proposed by you, about sending the locomotive to you.
Meanwhile, the model has returned to sleep in his box ...
Giuseppe

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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 6:35pm

@modellbahner: Kann ich daraus schliessen, dass die AUX Ausgänge verstärkt sein müssen?
Das würde sich dann mit dem Beitrag von Nico wiedersprechen.

Grüsse
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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 7:19pm

Es geht meines Wissens draum, dass überhaupt genügend AUX zur Verfügung stehen (6 werden benötigt). Mehr gibt es hier:
https://stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=5…658698#p1658698
https://www.stummiforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=1658460#p1658460
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150

Sunday, January 7th 2018, 7:26pm

Der Decoder muss AUX5+6 haben, AUX3-6 sind unverstärkt und werden über die vier Transistoren auf der Platine entsprechend unterstützt.

Der neue MKL Decoder hat AUX3+4 zusätzlich verstärkt, AUX5+6 allerdings nicht (ergo: Märklin Standard, wofür er ja auch gedacht ist).
Baut man den in die Bm 4/4 ein, dürfte daraus eine Dampflok werden (zumindest kurzfristig).



Eine recht elegante Lösung wäre PLUX22 gewesen: Da gibts satte 9 verstärkte Ausgänge, allerdings ist der noch nicht lange auf dem Markt (vorher gabs nur einen reinen DCC).
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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 7:44pm

what would be the article number to be sure it's a new V4.0 or a V4.1?
and maybe loksound?
(sorry but with German I'm going crazy)
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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 8:35pm

As I already wrote before: the item number never changed. But you can see HW-Rev 4.1 or LokPilot 4.1 on the box.
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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 9:17pm

ok thanks so much Modellbahner...
Giuseppe

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Sunday, January 7th 2018, 9:59pm

Ok macht sinn. Kann man bei den neuen ESU V4 die Aux 3-4 nicht per CV umschalten wie bei den neuen märklin Decodern?

Gruss
Rufer
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155

Sunday, January 7th 2018, 10:27pm

Beim MKL kann mans über CV124 Bit 7 für AUX3+4 einstellen, bei den anderen nicht.
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Tuesday, January 9th 2018, 11:29pm

Demontage Gehäuse

Wollte heute Abend der Bm 4/4 einen Decoder spendieren, weit bin ich nicht gekommen. Konnte das Gehäuse nicht entfernen :D.

Habe die beiden Schrauben unter dem Führerhaus gelöst. Gemäss Aneitung sollte auch auf der langen Nase eine Schraube sein, wo? Eine Abdeckung zum Entfernen sehe ich nicht und unter dem Auspuff ist auch keine Schraube (oder ich seh diese nicht). Wer hat Erfahrung damit?
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Wednesday, January 10th 2018, 1:20am

Unter dem Auspuff hat es eine kleine Kreuzschlitzschraube.
Bahnsinnige Grüsse aus dem schönen Kanton Schwyz
Michel

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Wednesday, January 10th 2018, 6:10am

Bei der gelben Marti Lok ist die Schraube nicht unter dem Kamin sondern unter der gelben Abdeckung davor.
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Wednesday, January 10th 2018, 10:08pm

Danke für die Hinweise, die braune ist in der Zwischenzeit geöffnet (die Schraube scheint unter einer Abdeckung zu stecken, auf jeden Fall sehe ich den Schraubenkopf nicht). Muss jetzt noch einen aktuellen Decoder einkaufen, mit einem Lopi 4.0 gehts ja nicht.
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Wednesday, January 10th 2018, 10:22pm

[quote='hal6ke',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136735#post136735 Muss jetzt noch einen aktuellen Decoder einkaufen, mit einem Lopi 4.0 gehts ja nicht.[/quote]
viel Glück
Giuseppe

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